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From: Zuke on 25 May 2007 13:39 On Fri, 25 May 2007, David Short wrote: > coachrose13(a)hotmail.com wrote: >> On May 23, 10:21 pm, "David Short" >> <David.NO.Sh...(a)Wright.SPAM.Edu.PLEASE> wrote: >>> "tom dunne" <NOSPAMdunn...(a)gmail.com> >>> >>>> Chuck wrote: > convinced. > >> Of >> course, you could always resort to trading him to a couple of sore >> armed relief pitchers! > > Nobody would do....wait, yeah they might. > > dfs > Bat Griffey 3rd and Dunn 4th. Forgot that lefty-righty stuff. How often does it come into play anyway. Maybe even Dunn 3rd and Griffey 4th. The only drawback is that the other club will not become as fatigued because they will only have to shift once instead of twice. It would be nice to do it otherwise but those are the horses you have bet on and there are no valid alternatives after watching Philips, Konine and EE in that 4th spot. I agree that it is dumb to put Dunn 6th with nobody behind him.
From: tom dunne on 25 May 2007 17:06 Zuke wrote: > Bat Griffey 3rd and Dunn 4th. Forgot that lefty-righty stuff. I don't think that's going to change. If you gave Narron the 1927 Yankees, I suspect he'd try to gett a righty in between Ruth and Gehrig.
From: Zuke on 26 May 2007 01:52 On Fri, 25 May 2007, tom dunne wrote: > Zuke wrote: > >> Bat Griffey 3rd and Dunn 4th. Forgot that lefty-righty stuff. > > I don't think that's going to change. If you gave Narron the 1927 Yankees, I > suspect he'd try to gett a righty in between Ruth and Gehrig. > Yeah, I was thinking where was the lefty-righty with Bench, Perez and Foster. Would Geronimo have been hitting cleanup?
From: coachrose13 on 27 May 2007 02:10 On May 25, 10:31 am, Dan Szymborski <d...(a)baseballprimer.com> wrote: > In article <f36m3a$vu...(a)posting.glorb.com>, > David.no.Sh...(a)Spam.Wright.Please.edu says... > > > > > > > coachros...(a)hotmail.com wrote: > > > On May 23, 10:21 pm, "David Short" > > > <David.NO.Sh...(a)Wright.SPAM.Edu.PLEASE> wrote: > > >> "tom dunne" <NOSPAMdunn...(a)gmail.com> > > > >>> Chuck wrote: > > >>>> You know I really like him but he has struck out 55 times already, and it > > >>>> just May, Makes me long for Austin Kerns at least he seemed to make > > >>>> contact more.. > > >>> As of right now, Adam Dunn is batting 20 points *better* than Austin > > >>> Kearns. > > >> But Tom......Strikeouts!!!! > > > >> dfs > > > > Dunn is certainly not the first player in major league history to be a > > > big homer, high-strike-out, below-average fielder. It certainly is > > > not his fault the Reds have not been successful during his career at > > > Cincinnati, and it certainly would not be the first time a manager > > > would have to make decisions as to how to utilize a player's ability > > > to the max while helping his team to be a winner. > > dude, we're in perfect agreement. I was joshin with tom. > > > > Personally, I would > > > bat Dunn in the six hole and keep him there, even when he was hitting > > > the ball well. That way, you minimize the damage his many strikeouts > > > would cause if he were hitting higher in the line-up, but you would > > > still get good productivity from him when he is hitting well. > > > The problem with batting Dunn 6th is that you better be damn sure your 7 > > and 8 hole hitters are somebody the other team respects, because if they > > aren't Adam will never see a strike. Adam should be hitting in the 3 or > > 4 hole. Frankly, he should be leading off or hitting 2nd before he drops > > to 6. No. This time I'm not joshin. > > I agree - I think he should hit 2nd. It's the best place to accentuate > what Dunn does well - getting on-base and driving in runners from first > and home (himself). > > Obviously, there's the conventional wisdom that the #2 batter should be > a guy who makes productive outs, but there hasn't been the slightest bit > of justification for that since Woodrow Wilson was president. > Productive outs are the *least* valuable in the #2 slot since it's > usually behind the person in the lineup that does the best at getting > himself into scoring position *without* an out and ahead of the best > hitters in the lineup that are the best at advancing runners. > I dont like having a 200 a year strikeout player batting behind the leadoff batter(assuming the lead-off is doing his job and getting on base). Of course, Dunn will quite often, hit the long ball, or even draw a walk, but I think far too often will strand the baserunner by striking out or hitting a fly ball. A good #2 hitter, at the bare minimum, should at least be able to move the runners along . I still think you should bat him in the 6 hole, regardless. He can still drive in a lot of runs from that spot, and when he is not hitting will not hurt his team as much as if he were battting higher in the lineup. The number 7 hitter, under ideal circumstances ( I know, I'm setting myself up on that one!) is kind of like a lead-off hitter: his job is primarily to get on base, so if Dunn is not hitting, it is kind of like the top of the order after he hits(at least until the pitcher's spot comes along!) > -- > Dan Szymborski > d...(a)baseballprimer.REMOVE.com > > "A critic who refuses to attack what is bad is > not a whole-hearted supporter of what is good." > - Robert Schumann- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -
From: Thomas R. Kettler on 27 May 2007 03:14
In article <1180246217.872889.186930(a)h2g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>, coachrose13(a)hotmail.com wrote: > I dont like having a 200 a year strikeout player batting behind the > leadoff batter(assuming the lead-off is doing his job and getting on > base). Of course, Dunn will quite often, hit the long ball, or even > draw a walk, but I think far too often will strand the baserunner by > striking out or hitting a fly ball. A good #2 hitter, at the bare > minimum, should at least be able to move the runners along . I still > think you should bat him in the 6 hole, regardless. He can still drive > in a lot of runs from that spot, and when he is not hitting will not > hurt his team as much as if he were battting higher in the lineup. The > number 7 hitter, under ideal circumstances ( I know, I'm setting > myself up on that one!) is kind of like a lead-off hitter: his job is > primarily to get on base, so if Dunn is not hitting, it is kind of > like the top of the order after he hits(at least until the pitcher's > spot comes along!) There's a very good statistic for measuring how a batter moves runners. It is called the Slugging Average (SLG). Adam Dunn does that quite well with a career SLG=.514, 68th best of anyone ever in MLB. Also, a runner of 1st will advance on a walk which he draws roughly every 6th PA. Also, consider that Adam Dunn doesn't ground into many double plays. While I still argue that he would be best used batting 2nd, if someone wouldn't bat him 2nd, I'd argue he should bat 5th since the 5th place hitter leads off the 2nd most often in an order after the obvious 1st place hitter. Batting Dunn 6th would be stupid since his career OBP=.379 would be wasted since a 7th and 8th hitter would rarely advance him to score on the walks that he draws. Remove blown from email address to reply. |