From: john smith on 20 Sep 2009 11:54
Adam Dunn= David Arthur Kingman.........
From: Bob Braun on 20 Sep 2009 13:54
"john smith" <eddygdvd(a)msn.com> wrote in message
> Adam Dunn= David Arthur Kingman.........
So we are totally throwing out OBP?
Adam Dunn .384 lifetime - .406 in 2009 to date.
Dave Kingman .302 lifetime
When you use power with a large number of strikeouts, you are only making a
Use Power/K's/OBP for your comparable. Let me know who you come up with.
Adam Dunn is a freak.
I know it was important to get Dunn out of Cincinnati. He was holding back
My personal issue is with the Reds. Dump Dunn if you want to, but make sure
you got his numbers covered with your replacement(s). If the Reds FO felt
they improved themselves by dumping Dunn, they are either stupid or lying.
This roster is/was a joke. Whoever decided to make McDonald the opening day
starter and leave Gomes completely off the roster, should be out of
Aside.................If you ever listen to Doc Rogers on a post game show,
it's easy to understand why this guy isn't in baseball anymore. What a
self-absorbed clown! He can't evaluate talent for squat.
From: David Short on 20 Sep 2009 14:29
"Bob Braun" <oxinfla(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
> My personal issue is with the Reds. Dump Dunn if you want to, but make
> sure you got his numbers covered with your replacement(s). If the Reds FO
> felt they improved themselves by dumping Dunn, they are either stupid or
I believe they sincerly overestimated the effect of having non-Dynn/Junior
outfielders on defence was going to have on the pitching staff.
> This roster is/was a joke. Whoever decided to make McDonald the opening
> day starter and leave Gomes completely off the roster, should be out of
> Aside.................If you ever listen to Doc Rogers on a post game
> show, it's easy to understand why this guy isn't in baseball anymore.
> What a self-absorbed clown! He can't evaluate talent for squat.
.....SportsBabble has become entertainment and the hosts job is less to
inform or discern truth and more to stir the pot and keep folks calling in.
I stiopped listening years ago. If it's the best thing on radio, that's an
indictment of the rest of the dial.
From: John Kasupski on 20 Sep 2009 14:37
On Sun, 20 Sep 2009 00:54:20 -0400, "Bob Braun" <oxinfla(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>John, John, John..............I can't argue your point that teams weren't
>beating down the door for Adam Dunn. But you are looking at September and
>ignoring a couple of elephants in the room. 37 HR's and a .406 OBP!
The thing is, Danny - *Why* weren't teams beating down the door for a guy who is
a lock for 40 HRs and 100 RBIs a season?
I'm looking at September because September is when good teams nail down pennants
and playoff berths. In September, money players put their teams on their backs
and carry them into the playoffs in September. Dunn virtually disappears. No,
check that. Adam Dunn becomes a liability in September. His offense vanishes,
but his glove is still there to gift-wrap outs and runs to opposing teams. And I
think MLB GMs realize this, and that's why nobody was terribly interested in
signing him. Except of course for Jim Bowden, at the time the GM of the worst
team in baseball (which they still are) and a man who repeatedly displayed an
irrational obsession with signing former Reds players.
>Who do we have like that? Votto was above .400 OBP most of the year, and
>may still be. Still significantly behind in HR's.
Joey has also been above .300 for most of the year, which is uncharted territory
for Dunn...and spent significant time on the DL, which cut into his totals. I'd
much rather have Votto in the middle of my lineup, and on the field defensively,
>We got Adam Dunn out of town, to a lot of people's liking, and opened 2009
>with Darnell McDonald!
Um, Danny? Darnell McDonald has hit .297 (to Dunn's .263) with a 459 slugging
percentage (to Dunn's .386) and .775 OPS (to Dunn's .719) so far this
September...and has chipped in four extra-base hits, which is more than Dunn has
so far this month. In fact, Darnell's numbers for the past 14 days
(.308/.333/.538/.872 BA/OBP/SLG/OPS) when compared to Dunn's
(.211/.286/.395/.680) over the same stretch shows just how valuable Dunn has not
been to his team again this September.
That said, certainly the Reds dropped the ball on replacing Dunn. That doesn't
mean that letting him go wasn't the right move. It just means they only got half
the job done. You improve the team by replacing a liability with an asset. They
got rid of the liability guy, they just failed to bring in the asset guy to
replace him - although you wouldn't know it by comparing McDonald's numbers for
the month to Dunn's!
I don't need to tell you of all people that it's a team game. The Reds obviously
need to score more runs, I'm not arguing that point. However, it wasn't just the
lack of Adam Dunn that caused them to not score enough runs. I mean, come
on...the guy who was supposed to be the shortstop hit .210 and the guy who
replaced him has hit .215 so far. The guy with the most PT at 3B (Rosales) hit
..203, the guy who was supposed to get the PT at 3B (EE) hit .209, spent
significant time on the DL, and then got traded. Taveras hit .238. Bruce hit
..208. The guy who was supposed to be the starting catcher has only played 77
games and a lot of that was at 1B while Votto was on the DL.
The only two guys who really produced as regulars in the lineup have been Votto
and Phillips. Votto has only played 118 games. Gomes has had some production
offensively but only has played in 92 games. You don't win pennants with only
2-1/2 guys contributing to the offense all year. You also don't win pennants
with only 3-1/2 guys contributing...so I don't think Dunn would not have made as
much of a difference in the offense as people like to think. Maybe he'd have
added another 50 runs to the team total (to go with an additional 20 errors on
defense, and 180 more strikeouts in the middle of the lineup), but the Reds
would still be right where it is now, in fifth place and well under .500 - which
is right where it was when they still had Dunn on the roster - and I have to
also wonder if they'd have the ten wins they have so far this September with
Dunn's usual September ineptness added to the lineup.
From: Bob Braun on 20 Sep 2009 14:37
"David Short" <David.No.Short(a)Spam.Wright.Please.Edu> wrote in message
a self-absorbed clown! He can't evaluate talent for squat.
> ....SportsBabble has become entertainment and the hosts job is less to
> inform or discern truth and more to stir the pot and keep folks calling
> I stiopped listening years ago. If it's the best thing on radio, that's an
> indictment of the rest of the dial.
Hell, I can put up with sports babble. This guy takes himself seriously.
I'm not at all surprised that he is completely out of baseball. He's in the
process now of telling the audience why these 'September Wins' means we are
a player away. I hope Uncle Bob isn't listening to him.
His player evaluations makes me wonder if he ever truly watches a ball game.