From: JustTom on
On Thu, 13 May 2010 13:53:07 -0700 (PDT), HTP <tmbowman25(a)yahoo.com>
wrote:

>On May 13, 1:10=A0pm, t...(a)nomail.please (JustTom) wrote:
>>
>> Or, I guess you could always consider dangling somebody like Alonso or
>> others =A0for another =A0starter after the break if we're still in it.
>
>Trading for another starter?
>

Yes, a possibility. Oswalt is expensive, but available. Maybe some
package including Homer and Stubbs? Wouldn't solve the Leake
problem, other than fortifying the rest of the rotation making him
less critical later. With cost saving alone, those two might be
enough. And just having him NOT throwing against us means we don't
lose to him as a bonus.


>Getting Janish some innings?

The Janish thing was half-kidding, although he has thrown in blowouts
before I think. He's only had 24 ABs this season, so who cares.

>
>We have a 12-man staff for gods sake. and most of them are solid
>pitchers, theres no reason for anyone to get consistently overworked.
>
This one I don't get.

Leake's present and future > any of our reliever's present or future
Chapman's future > any of our reliever's present or future

If I'm burning somebody out, it's a fungible reliever every time, not
possible anchors of the rotation for the next 5 years. Outside of
Rhodes and Coco, who are good but old, do you really see something
in any of the other guys that make protecting them a higher priority
than protecting Leake?

From: john smith on
I wouldn't trade Bailey for an old guy like Oswalt. The only pressing
need the Reds have right now is a leadoff hitter. If Angel Pagan becomes
available in June when Beltran comes back, the Reds should jump all over
him.

I would consider everybody except Leake and Votto tradable if things
ever went south this year. But that hasn't happened as of yet.

Tom, I can't believe you don't have the MLB package. You really should
consider getting it if this team can get to 10 games over .500 any time
soon. We shall see....

From: HTP on
On May 14, 6:46 am, t...(a)nomail.please (JustTom) wrote:
> On Thu, 13 May 2010 13:53:07 -0700 (PDT), HTP <tmbowma...(a)yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> >On May 13, 1:10=A0pm, t...(a)nomail.please (JustTom) wrote:
>
> >> Or, I guess you could always consider dangling somebody like Alonso or
> >> others =A0for another =A0starter after the break if we're still in it.
>
> >Trading for another starter?
>
> Yes, a possibility.   Oswalt is expensive, but available.   Maybe some
> package including Homer and Stubbs?  

IMO thats just insane, even before you get to payroll impact.

>
> >Getting Janish some innings?
>
> The Janish thing was half-kidding, although he has thrown in blowouts
> before I think.     He's only had 24 ABs this season, so who cares.
>
>
>
> >We have a 12-man staff for gods sake. and most of them are solid
> >pitchers, theres no reason for anyone to get consistently overworked.
>
> This one I don't get.

The point is that there wont be any reason at all for Leake to be on
the mound overextending himself. There are plenty of capable guys in
the pen who can replace him in the 7th without a large dropoff in
effectiveness.

I havent seen any indication at all that the Reds are going to pile
innings onto his arm. I really dont see anything to worry about,
especially this idea that - oh no we might make the playoffs and he'll
be called on to start a couple extra games! - . I hope to god that
that happens and i bet my life that Mike leake does too.

>
> Leake's present and future > any of our reliever's present or future
> Chapman's future > any of our reliever's present or future

>
> If I'm burning somebody out, it's a fungible reliever every time,  not
> possible anchors of the rotation for the next 5 years.    Outside of
> Rhodes and Coco,  who are good but old,  do you really see something
> in any of the other guys that make protecting them a higher priority
> than protecting Leake?

its not about weaing out a relier vs wearing out leake. The point was
that nobody should be getting worn out at all if the staff pitches to
the general level that it should. There are 6-7 guys in the pen.



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